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NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner Shaping the Homebrew Community: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=174228 2017-06-03T14:08:48 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 145 Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: Shiru

Seeing all this repetitive talk about prohibiting contribution to an open public discussion (freedom of speech, anyone?), naming it 'crapping the thread', plans for moderation even, and other attributes of a major control freakout, especially based on having enough money to throw at non-priority things, it really made me think that it is time to move off this community. Good luck with further shaping.

I don't think that aspect of Beau's post is representative of anything other than his own preferences. (certainly not a "this community" thing)

Unless it's a buy/sell thread, I doubt I'm alone in my opinion that an OP doesn't hold a monopoly on the direction and content of threads they create, once they are made and people start posting replies.

What Arch said, exactly.

Just because somebody doesn't want things discussed doesn't mean they won't be eventually discussed either in that thread or elsewhere in the forum.

And I think a thread like this is more of an outlier rather than status quo (although I don't frequent the Brewery section that much, since there are other areas of NA that I'm more drawn to).

Shiru, I get frustration (trust me, I damn near gave this whole place the double middle finger on my way out about a year or so ago), but I would ask you to reconsider, or at least take a deep breath and think things over.
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I doubt you need to worry about that.. ]]> Shaping the Homebrew Community: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=174228 2017-06-03T04:46:03 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 145 Originally posted by: sadikyo

Originally posted by: user

Originally posted by: SoleGooseProductions

It expressely prohibits:

-Those who do not buy homebrews

Post #1424.

I am not your slave, and if my definitely civil contribute to this conversation is not welcome, is forbidden, and is considered trolling, and all this just because I do not spend money on fancy boxes, then I'd rather leave this Brewery.

Best luck everyone.

Farewell.

Let this be the end of this. My recommendation is for both of you to foe each other and/or take any outstanding arguments or disagreements out of the public space. My hope is that you both can move on and not continue any negativity or bring past arguments into current threads.

Post #1425, in reply to moderator Sadiko reply.

It is not a clash between two people.
It is a clash between two mentalities.

Minority:
Cheers for a friendly free market, in which knowledge and help are shared, but in the end each pick its own commercial strategy and (in the limits of what it is fair, legal and legit, of course) cares about his own wallet.

Majority:
Cheers for gentlemen agreements between hobbyists, in which releases and methods of distribution are planned and regulated together within the members, and in which each side economically supports the others.

Other members already pointed out the issue in this thread, before my first post, #46.

And here a previous chapter (seconds half of the thread, very boring reading) from the past:

http://vintage.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=201&catid=22&threadid=148201

If stating this in here is considered thread crapping or trolling, I have no problems being banned.
However, I do not see why this should be the case: I was 100% civil and polite in the whole thread.
And, unlike others, I talk about market concepts, not negatively judging morality and ethics of others.

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@zi

I respect you, your intelligence, and your opinions.
You definitely think with your own head, and state what you think.
I disagree with some of your statements, and your conclusions.
If your products are good (and they are) you should not fear free market.
I stand up to defend anyone (except trolls) right to speak
(this above especially when to speak is someone like Shiru).
I have little patience with slow inconclusive sneaky talks.

I have a direct way to speak, I am not a good communicator, and I am too old to change that.

I am not afraid, I am not angry. I am allergic to crap arguments.
If you accept these arguments, the risk is to keep on losing creative people memberships.

If you care about understanding our irritation, read Lord of The Flies by William Golding.
Definitely more entertaining and well written than my posts.

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@everyone

As already said in previous post #1424, I am done posting in public Brewery.
Do not quote me in this thread. I will feel the duty to reply.
If you need to continue this conversation with me, use PMs or emails.
I prefer further conversations on the subject to be handled privately.
Do not derail this thread any further.

I am not angry at NA, I am not angry at any NA member. I have not hard feelings.
I am irritated (and this is an euphemism) about a specific (IMO pathetic) mentality some collectors have.
This Brewery, and its threads, should be open to every NA member.
And, if you really need to make a hierarchy, then it is creators first.
It is "The Brewery", not "Homebrew/Independent Collectors Corner".
And from private communications that I get, we are a minority, but I am not alone thinking in such way.

If I'll be banned for stating all this, I'll take it like a man and shut up, no big deal at all.
I don't care if you don't care. And things that truly matter in my life, are others. Good shaping.

Sincerely. ]]> Shaping the Homebrew Community: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=174228 2017-06-02T19:11:17 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 145 Originally posted by: zredgemz

I applaud your effort,does that book include other system homebrew's too? Thanks!

This book just focuses on the NES. However, my Complete SNES does contain SNES Homebrew games and all my future system releases will include homebrews for those as well. It all just takes time.

The NES Homebrew scene is definitely one of the largest though...

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Originally posted by: thesubcon3

Originally posted by: zredgemz

Originally posted by: SwiftFrost

The biggest issue I have as a buyer of homebrew is a complete lack of peer reviews to help guide my purchase; especially considering the price point people are charging these days. I have gathered over time that this seems to stem from fear of the community chastising any form of criticism of the released product. I have seen on more than one occasion people being called out for "crapping on" someones blood, sweat and tears. Even though their criticism was eloquently written.

This is something i have seen around here and i do not know how it could be addressed, i think this problem is likely to not go away and if you want to see a opinion about a game that is honest and unafraid of reprisal, you will have to go off site.

I do have every homebrew game up until a couple months into 2017 in my NES Oddities & the Homebrew Revolution book, which has over 580 NES Homebrew games covered. So that is definitely a good start if you are looking to get a gist on everything out there, from released, to digital, to limited editions and even upcoming games. And yes, I do stand my honest and truthful opinions on every game, albeit I do go at things a bit differently than others would.

What about the things like tech demos, or games with a small number produced, and no ROMs available? How do you handle this sort of thing?

That section of the book was the most difficult thing I have ever had to put together, however I feel like I did everyone justice and I have included everything that I could find.

I split it into 4 sections:
Physical NES Releases (no ROMs available typically)
Digital Releases
Limited Edition Releases
Upcoming Games

I tried to categorize everything as well as I could. I also have a 5th section going into my NES Compendium that I'm currently formatting that consists of Intervews with a ton of the people involved with NES game creation.

EDIT: This is me trying to get back on track talking about NES Homebrews and how I categorized them in my book to help clarify things. BTW ]]> Shaping the Homebrew Community: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=174228 2017-06-02T11:47:08 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 145 Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Read my post above yours.

The opinions of those "multiple people" don't really seem to be consistent with the actual thread.

I'm not going to take the time to show why and how they're correct in that thought (I read through them after I write my posts). It comes down to the fact that lately someone can't sneeze in the room or make any kind of remark about anything without people applying it to themselves. The famous Unlce Leo move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYZBKqemQrU

And I know you like to argue points, that's fine. My goal with the OP was specifically to keep from having a conversation about the conversation. I don't want to talk about grapes; more than a few posts and they go sour.

What I do want to talk about, which most everyone understood, was our role as buyers in shaping the community. That is it, an inoffensive idea that our actions have consequences, one direction or another. I am not looking for non-buyer views, specifically in order to keep from people trying to justify their actions as brewers. I want honest opinions about the activity of buying, and a place where they can feel like their voices are respected and not attacked by brewers. Someone chiming in or harping on the idea that people shouldn't think about that is directly against the "spirit" outlined in the OP. State your peace and move on if you must, or keep silent and realize that it does not apply to you.

And I think that this is the last I am going to say on the matter. PM me if you must, otherwise let the conversation about the conversation go.

]]> Shaping the Homebrew Community: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=174228 2017-06-02T11:34:31 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 145 Originally posted by: SoleGooseProductions

Originally posted by: Bert

Originally posted by: SoleGooseProductions
All I was told (by others) was that he was stacking quotes and latching onto anything that kept the conversation from happening, derailment once again.

This whole thing started from things other people have said, and you never took the time to look into it yourself?

Nope. I'm not losing sleep over petty arguments. Multiple people stating that it is going a certain direction is enough; particularly when we have seen it happen time and again. And if my statements didn't apply to anything, then there was absolutely no harm in them. I'd just be speaking to air and look like a crazy person.
Read my post above yours.

The opinions of those "multiple people" don't really seem to be consistent with the actual thread.

]]> Shaping the Homebrew Community: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=174228 2017-06-02T11:32:52 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 145 Originally posted by: Bert

Originally posted by: SoleGooseProductions
All I was told (by others) was that he was stacking quotes and latching onto anything that kept the conversation from happening, derailment once again.

This whole thing started from things other people have said, and you never took the time to look into it yourself?
Nope. I'm not losing sleep over petty arguments. Multiple people stating that it is going a certain direction is enough; particularly when we have seen it happen time and again. And if my statements didn't apply to anything, then there was absolutely no harm in them. I'd just be speaking to air and look like a crazy person.

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