NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-19T22:53:33 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-19T20:58:17 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: quest4nes

Feels like satire sometimes with a few of their songs. They make me laugh. Ones like Dissapear lol. Was never a huge metallica fan but they arent bad 6.5/10 that ill give a 6

You should give Steel Panther or The Darkness a whirl.
 

I saw Steel Panther open for Judas Priest a few years back.  Both put on an incredible show, but a lot of people in the crowd didn't "get" Steel Panther.  The people watching was half the fun.

Feel the Steel and Permission to Land are both great albums.

 


I can just imagine folks reaction to hearing Thar she Blows or Asian Hooker ]]> Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-19T19:23:30 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: quest4nes

Feels like satire sometimes with a few of their songs. They make me laugh. Ones like Dissapear lol. Was never a huge metallica fan but they arent bad 6.5/10 that ill give a 6

You should give Steel Panther or The Darkness a whirl.
 
I saw Steel Panther open for Judas Priest a few years back.  Both put on an incredible show, but a lot of people in the crowd didn't "get" Steel Panther.  The people watching was half the fun.

Feel the Steel and Permission to Land are both great albums.

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Master of puppets, their instrumentals, even their more bluesy experimental albums in the 90s all managed to allow them to make for a huge and diverse catalogue of music that was constantly evolving. I appreciated how they kept finding new ways to produce excellent music. 10/10 for me. ]]> Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-18T23:36:01 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Originally posted by: quest4nes

Feels like satire sometimes with a few of their songs. They make me laugh. Ones like Dissapear lol. Was never a huge metallica fan but they arent bad 6.5/10 that ill give a 6
You should give Steel Panther or The Darkness a whirl.
  ]]> Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-18T22:17:41 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Originally posted by: JamesRobot
 
Originally posted by: dra600n
 
Originally posted by: JamesRobot
 
Originally posted by: dra600n
 
Originally posted by: chromableedstudios
 
Originally posted by: dra600n

Just out of curiosity with you Napster lovers: Do you hate/boycott Nintendo for them going after ROM sites? If not, why?



To my vague recollection, Metallica pulled some pr stunt threatening to dox several hundred thousand users, got them banned from the service and set some precedent when Napster settled that led the RIAA on the war path to suing individual users for exorbitant sums aggressively in order to send a message. The big n usually sticks to cease and desists(and if you believe the fillings when they have sued bit is often about trademarks, which you are obligated to defend if you want to keep). Nintendo has more redeeming qualities imo, but I can also understand the cognitive dissonance necessary to square these. I do wish they would let up on the fan made games, some of those are pretty cool.

Got it. So it's okay to sue to protect your work if you're Nintendo, but not if you're a musician.
 
C&Ds and suits about trademark infringement are a little different than sticking it to every user that ever downloaded a Metallica tune. I've not seen Nintendo go after the little guy for playing a Mario ROM. Not defending pirates or IP holders. Both Metallica and Nintendo are within their rights but Metallica threw a very public fit about it. The distributor is really the one causing the damage.

My how quickly folks forget:
https://www.polygon.com/2019/9/11/20860039/nintendo-copyrigh...
https://www.polygon.com/2018/11/15/18097081/nintendo-rom-law...


 

How quickly we forget? That was 20 fucking years ago. Lol.  

Admittedly I did forget the details but the differences persist. Metallica suing Napster is akin to the articles you cite. The difference is that Metallica demanded (and ultimately got) user ID information of anyone who ever downloaded a Metallica song. That is pretty threatening to the individual. Again, I'm not saying they were wrong, but the whole incident lacks tact and concern for their own fanbase. https://www.blabbermouth.net/news...
It was the first time anyone went after a major digital piracy platform, so the whole situation was new. In the past, it was normal to go after anyone who was pirating.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/nintendo-sues-americas-dumbest-video-game-pirate/

Nintendo goes after specific individuals as well.

So, my point stands. Do these folks who hate the Mighty Met for the Napster situation boycott/hate Nintendo? Chances are they don't. Hipocracy at its finest.

ETA: The "how quickly we forget" is about Nintendo actually filing lawsuits, not C&D's, over the exact same thing. Piracy. ]]> Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-18T22:08:18 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: JamesRobot
 
Originally posted by: dra600n
 
Originally posted by: chromableedstudios
 
Originally posted by: dra600n

Just out of curiosity with you Napster lovers: Do you hate/boycott Nintendo for them going after ROM sites? If not, why?



To my vague recollection, Metallica pulled some pr stunt threatening to dox several hundred thousand users, got them banned from the service and set some precedent when Napster settled that led the RIAA on the war path to suing individual users for exorbitant sums aggressively in order to send a message. The big n usually sticks to cease and desists(and if you believe the fillings when they have sued bit is often about trademarks, which you are obligated to defend if you want to keep). Nintendo has more redeeming qualities imo, but I can also understand the cognitive dissonance necessary to square these. I do wish they would let up on the fan made games, some of those are pretty cool.

Got it. So it's okay to sue to protect your work if you're Nintendo, but not if you're a musician.
 
C&Ds and suits about trademark infringement are a little different than sticking it to every user that ever downloaded a Metallica tune. I've not seen Nintendo go after the little guy for playing a Mario ROM. Not defending pirates or IP holders. Both Metallica and Nintendo are within their rights but Metallica threw a very public fit about it. The distributor is really the one causing the damage.

My how quickly folks forget:
https://www.polygon.com/2019/9/11...
https://www.polygon.com/2018/11/1...


 
How quickly we forget? That was 20 fucking years ago. Lol.  

Admittedly I did forget the details but the differences persist. Metallica suing Napster is akin to the articles you cite. The difference is that Metallica demanded (and ultimately got) user ID information of anyone who ever downloaded a Metallica song. That is pretty threatening to the individual. Again, I'm not saying they were wrong, but the whole incident lacks tact and concern for their own fanbase. https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-admits-delivering-names-of-napster-users-was-maybe-not-the-smartest-pr-move-of-all-time/ ]]> Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-18T21:49:51 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Everything after, 2/10

So thats 4.5/10, but since they are responsible for a lot of the modern metal I listen to today, i'll give em a 6. ]]> Music Debate 33: Metallica http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=189044 2019-10-18T21:27:06 -05.00 Brock Landers 52 Originally posted by: JamesRobot
 
Originally posted by: dra600n
 
Originally posted by: chromableedstudios
 
Originally posted by: dra600n

Just out of curiosity with you Napster lovers: Do you hate/boycott Nintendo for them going after ROM sites? If not, why?



To my vague recollection, Metallica pulled some pr stunt threatening to dox several hundred thousand users, got them banned from the service and set some precedent when Napster settled that led the RIAA on the war path to suing individual users for exorbitant sums aggressively in order to send a message. The big n usually sticks to cease and desists(and if you believe the fillings when they have sued bit is often about trademarks, which you are obligated to defend if you want to keep). Nintendo has more redeeming qualities imo, but I can also understand the cognitive dissonance necessary to square these. I do wish they would let up on the fan made games, some of those are pretty cool.

Got it. So it's okay to sue to protect your work if you're Nintendo, but not if you're a musician.
 
C&Ds and suits about trademark infringement are a little different than sticking it to every user that ever downloaded a Metallica tune. I've not seen Nintendo go after the little guy for playing a Mario ROM. Not defending pirates or IP holders. Both Metallica and Nintendo are within their rights but Metallica threw a very public fit about it. The distributor is really the one causing the damage.
My how quickly folks forget:
https://www.polygon.com/2019/9/11/20860039/nintendo-copyright-trademark-infringement-rom-lawsuit
https://www.polygon.com/2018/11/15/18097081/nintendo-rom-lawsuit-loveroms-loveretro-emuparadise


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