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I don't have any emulators.

I don't have a way to "dump" these games.

CopyNES (even the USB ones) are still difficult for me and you need to find the ROMS online, etc.

All of this takes TIME.

And as Xerxes said, comparing data won't find you everything.

People want to know PRECISELY what the differences are. You are EXPECTED to know.

This is the one problem with protos; I liked acquiring them but I don't have the time to dedicate to researching each and every one of them ]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-31T14:25:23 -05.00 Bronty 42 Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: DreamTR

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

^ I agree that it's important but you have to remember the people that acquire the protos do so at a price. It's hard to justify spending thousands of dollars in some cases and then turning around and dumping them for free. Unless of course you strictly mean dumping to backup and catalog. That is a different story.


The problem with that is you have to have extensive knowledge of each game sometimes...

I can't begin to tell you how many times people ask me what the differences are and with all the games I have how on earth would I know? People still ask me that to this day. Unless it is blatantly obvious there is abolutely no way possible I have spare time to dig out copies and play for a week to see what all the differences are in games....

This is why proto collecting is so strange sometimes, I think beggars can't be choosers because if there is only "1" of a certain game, how is someone going to "hold out" for a "different" copy of a game that is never going to show up? 

I can't speak for everyone, but it my case it would be simply because I'm not looking for a certain game, I'm looking for protos with interesting differences in them.
The  problem is you need to do a full play through with each and every proto to truly know if there are any differences.  The game could be the same up until say the last level and the characters are different etc.

As far as we know nobody has ever done a play through of the Zelda Proto.  There very well could be differences...

 


You just need to dump the roms and do a file compare.

Edit:
Doing a full playthrough might not even help you depending on what the changes are.. Imagine if there was some new item or other secret in your Zelda prototype that you could get if you looked under the right bush..  You'd probably never find it doing a playthrough, but running a file difference will tell you.  It would take a bit of work that way to find out exactly what differences there are, but it would only take 2 seconds to confirm whether they are identical roms or not.

True, Agreed
 
I agree that doing a dump and a file comparison is a great tool in the tool box. I have found, however, that figuring out what those differeances translate into for game play to be a bit difficult.

]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-29T14:28:47 -05.00 Bronty 42 Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: DreamTR

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

^ I agree that it's important but you have to remember the people that acquire the protos do so at a price. It's hard to justify spending thousands of dollars in some cases and then turning around and dumping them for free. Unless of course you strictly mean dumping to backup and catalog. That is a different story.


The problem with that is you have to have extensive knowledge of each game sometimes...

I can't begin to tell you how many times people ask me what the differences are and with all the games I have how on earth would I know? People still ask me that to this day. Unless it is blatantly obvious there is abolutely no way possible I have spare time to dig out copies and play for a week to see what all the differences are in games....

This is why proto collecting is so strange sometimes, I think beggars can't be choosers because if there is only "1" of a certain game, how is someone going to "hold out" for a "different" copy of a game that is never going to show up? 

I can't speak for everyone, but it my case it would be simply because I'm not looking for a certain game, I'm looking for protos with interesting differences in them.
The  problem is you need to do a full play through with each and every proto to truly know if there are any differences.  The game could be the same up until say the last level and the characters are different etc.

As far as we know nobody has ever done a play through of the Zelda Proto.  There very well could be differences...

 


You just need to dump the roms and do a file compare.

Edit:
Doing a full playthrough might not even help you depending on what the changes are.. Imagine if there was some new item or other secret in your Zelda prototype that you could get if you looked under the right bush..  You'd probably never find it doing a playthrough, but running a file difference will tell you.  It would take a bit of work that way to find out exactly what differences there are, but it would only take 2 seconds to confirm whether they are identical roms or not.
True, Agreed

]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-29T13:46:39 -05.00 Bronty 42 Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: DreamTR

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

^ I agree that it's important but you have to remember the people that acquire the protos do so at a price. It's hard to justify spending thousands of dollars in some cases and then turning around and dumping them for free. Unless of course you strictly mean dumping to backup and catalog. That is a different story.


The problem with that is you have to have extensive knowledge of each game sometimes...

I can't begin to tell you how many times people ask me what the differences are and with all the games I have how on earth would I know? People still ask me that to this day. Unless it is blatantly obvious there is abolutely no way possible I have spare time to dig out copies and play for a week to see what all the differences are in games....

This is why proto collecting is so strange sometimes, I think beggars can't be choosers because if there is only "1" of a certain game, how is someone going to "hold out" for a "different" copy of a game that is never going to show up? 

I can't speak for everyone, but it my case it would be simply because I'm not looking for a certain game, I'm looking for protos with interesting differences in them.
The  problem is you need to do a full play through with each and every proto to truly know if there are any differences.  The game could be the same up until say the last level and the characters are different etc.

As far as we know nobody has ever done a play through of the Zelda Proto.  There very well could be differences...

 

You just need to dump the roms and do a file compare.

Edit:
Doing a full playthrough might not even help you depending on what the changes are.. Imagine if there was some new item or other secret in your Zelda prototype that you could get if you looked under the right bush..  You'd probably never find it doing a playthrough, but running a file difference will tell you.  It would take a bit of work that way to find out exactly what differences there are, but it would only take 2 seconds to confirm whether they are identical roms or not.
]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-28T15:15:50 -05.00 Bronty 42 Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: DreamTR

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

^ I agree that it's important but you have to remember the people that acquire the protos do so at a price. It's hard to justify spending thousands of dollars in some cases and then turning around and dumping them for free. Unless of course you strictly mean dumping to backup and catalog. That is a different story.


The problem with that is you have to have extensive knowledge of each game sometimes...

I can't begin to tell you how many times people ask me what the differences are and with all the games I have how on earth would I know? People still ask me that to this day. Unless it is blatantly obvious there is abolutely no way possible I have spare time to dig out copies and play for a week to see what all the differences are in games....

This is why proto collecting is so strange sometimes, I think beggars can't be choosers because if there is only "1" of a certain game, how is someone going to "hold out" for a "different" copy of a game that is never going to show up? 

I can't speak for everyone, but it my case it would be simply because I'm not looking for a certain game, I'm looking for protos with interesting differences in them. The  problem is you need to do a full play through with each and every proto to truly know if there are any differences.  The game could be the same up until say the last level and the characters are different etc.

As far as we know nobody has ever done a play through of the Zelda Proto.  There very well could be differences...


]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-28T14:55:52 -05.00 Bronty 42 Originally posted by: DreamTR

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

^ I agree that it's important but you have to remember the people that acquire the protos do so at a price. It's hard to justify spending thousands of dollars in some cases and then turning around and dumping them for free. Unless of course you strictly mean dumping to backup and catalog. That is a different story.


The problem with that is you have to have extensive knowledge of each game sometimes...

I can't begin to tell you how many times people ask me what the differences are and with all the games I have how on earth would I know? People still ask me that to this day. Unless it is blatantly obvious there is abolutely no way possible I have spare time to dig out copies and play for a week to see what all the differences are in games....

This is why proto collecting is so strange sometimes, I think beggars can't be choosers because if there is only "1" of a certain game, how is someone going to "hold out" for a "different" copy of a game that is never going to show up? 
I can't speak for everyone, but it my case it would be simply because I'm not looking for a certain game, I'm looking for protos with interesting differences in them. ]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-28T14:43:33 -05.00 Bronty 42 Originally posted by: DreamTR

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

^ I agree that it's important but you have to remember the people that acquire the protos do so at a price. It's hard to justify spending thousands of dollars in some cases and then turning around and dumping them for free. Unless of course you strictly mean dumping to backup and catalog. That is a different story.


The problem with that is you have to have extensive knowledge of each game sometimes...

I can't begin to tell you how many times people ask me what the differences are and with all the games I have how on earth would I know? People still ask me that to this day. Unless it is blatantly obvious there is abolutely no way possible I have spare time to dig out copies and play for a week to see what all the differences are in games....

This is why proto collecting is so strange sometimes, I think beggars can't be choosers because if there is only "1" of a certain game, how is someone going to "hold out" for a "different" copy of a game that is never going to show up?  Agreed.  If a difference is obvious (screen title, music, naked sprites) that's one thing but if people expect you to know everything about every proto, that's just unrealistic.


]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-28T13:47:47 -05.00 Bronty 42
1) Unreleased major title (EX: Sim city for NES)
2) A good unreleased finished game
3) A proto of a popular franchise (Zelda, Mario, Final Fantasy) would rank higher with major differences
4) Any unreleased game, crappy or not
5) Run of the mill protos regardless of differences (The ceasar's palace mentioned earlier is a good example) ]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-28T13:20:50 -05.00 Bronty 42 Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

^ I agree that it's important but you have to remember the people that acquire the protos do so at a price. It's hard to justify spending thousands of dollars in some cases and then turning around and dumping them for free. Unless of course you strictly mean dumping to backup and catalog. That is a different story.

The problem with that is you have to have extensive knowledge of each game sometimes...

I can't begin to tell you how many times people ask me what the differences are and with all the games I have how on earth would I know? People still ask me that to this day. Unless it is blatantly obvious there is abolutely no way possible I have spare time to dig out copies and play for a week to see what all the differences are in games....

This is why proto collecting is so strange sometimes, I think beggars can't be choosers because if there is only "1" of a certain game, how is someone going to "hold out" for a "different" copy of a game that is never going to show up?  ]]> Long Term price trend? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=81521 2012-08-28T10:31:01 -05.00 Bronty 42
I wonder in a thousand years if the video games of the first era will be something collectors dig and which title will be see as a Mona Lisa. Maybe brand new SMB or Zelda will be the thing people really want aside from rarity. ]]>